नेपालभासया  महाकवि सिद्धिदास महाजुं "जिमिगु भाय नेवारी मखु नेपालभास  ख:" धका आन्दोलन न्ह्याकादीगु ८० दं ति दये धुन्कल | तर आ नं "नेवारी" धाइपिं यक्व हे दु | खस् भास छ्यलीपिन्सं ला "नेवारी" या सक्कली नां "नेपालभास" ख: धका ए मथू थें च्वन | न्ह्याथाय नं "नेवारी" "नेवारी" च्वया हैरान ए यायू | तर आ फेसबुक पाखें छगू बाँलागु ज्या जू वन | आ "नेवारी" मखु "नेपालभास" छ्यले मा: धैगु चेतना वइ कि?

Almost 80 years ago, the great poet Siddhidas Mahaju said "Our language is not 'Newari', it is Nepalbhas." But the word "Newari" is still used by many people. Most of them do not know what is wrong with "Newari", particularly among the "Khas" language users. Now the popular social network site has taken down the word "Newari" from its profile database. Thousand of pages using the word "newari" are replaced by "Nepalbhasha" according to an article posted on nepalmandal dot com.

I would appreciate if Sajha could also correct the wrongly used word.

Details here: http://www.nepalmandal.com/content/12548.html

फेसबुकं 'नेवारी' खँग्वः लिकाल

न्ववाइगु भाय्‌या सूचीइ 'नेवारी' खँग्वः लिकयाः 'नेपालभाषा' तयेगु इनाप लिपा अन्ततः सोसल नेटवर्क साइट फेसबुकं 'नेवारी' खँग्वःयात पूर्ण रुपं चिइकूगु दु । थ्वया लिपा आः फेसबुक छ्यलीपिं द्वलंद्वः नेवाःतय् प्रोफाइलय् न्ववाइगु भाषाया रुपय् नेपालभाषा धकाः खनेदये धुंकूगु दु ।

न्हूगु परिवर्तन लिपा फेसबुकय् थःम्ह न्ववाइगु भाय्‌ धकाः प्रोफाइलय् भाय्‌या नां 'nepal ..' निसें च्वयेगु शुरु याःसा 'Nepal Bhasa' धकाः अटो कम्पलिट अप्सन बिइ । अथे हे 'newa' प्यंगः आखः टाइप यायेवं 'Newar / Nepal Bhasa' धकाः अप्सन बिइ । यदि 'newari' धकाः भाय्‌या नां च्वत धाःसा उगु भाय्‌या नां स्वतः नेपालभाषा धकाः हिलाबिइ, 'newari' धकाः भाय्‌या नां च्वके बिइमखु । उलि जक मखु थ्व स्वयां न्ह्यः नेवारी धकाः थःगु भाय्‌या नां च्वयातःपिनि दक्वसिया प्रोफाइलय् 'Newar / Nepalbhasa' धकाः स्वतः हिउगु दु ।

लुमंके बह जू, विश्वया दक्वं भाषाया नां व कोड ISO या ज्या याइगु लाइब्रेरि अफ कंग्रेसलिसे नेवाःतय्‌सं न्ववाइगु भाय्‌यात नेपालभाषा धकाः च्वयेत इनाप लिपा न्हापा नेवारी धकाः जुयाच्वंगु नांयात छुं दँ न्ह्यः नेवारी, नेपालभाषा धकाः भिंकूगु खः । नेपालभाषाया ISO 639-2 कोड new खः ।

झि नेवा   तेगु: ताल खाना: जित अछम्म लगेझु। नेवारी : अले नेपाल भाषा धान्सा: वास्तवअये भाषाला वोहे ख। झि नेवा तेन्सन नुग: मचिन्कु मागु कारण छु दु उके। अले हान झि नेवा त झिगु भाषिक वो सन्स्क्रितिक् सवाले निह्यब्लेन: " खस भाषाइ त वो खस जतित target यहेमा खला? झिपि: सन्कुचित मखु अधुनिक वो सन्स्क्रितिक् जुइमाल पासा। सम्प्रदिक्ता फाइलयान झित फाईदा जुइ मखु। नेवातेगु सन्सकृतिक अले साहित्य बरु बल्लके नु ले। खाली " चकन्ची" ख ज्वोन झिपी गअब्ले नाहप लाई ?


Being myself newar, sometime I wonder about our newar community. Nomatter  we say newari or nepal bhasa, the essence of language will be the same no? Why do we need to feel low about it. " Newar" is not a derogratory word so if someone say it is Newari what is the problem? Again, why do we always want to target " khas community" when it comes to issue related our culture and language? How is it fair-and let us accept majority of Nepali people speaks " khas" or what we know " nepali language". Are we that shallow that we do not have capcity to acknowlegde the sentiment of majority.  We need to be more open and culturally receptive and tolorant.  We should discourage anything that would trigger ethinic tension amongst the communities. We newar rather should focus on our leterary part and cultural part. We will never rise if we continue to make issues of petty things. I know lots of newars who are in sampradaik nature would not like me but let's be first nepali. This is all I want to say.

We got more than we deserve- we are just 5% of total population yet we haver our language recognized, our sambhat recognized, we are in better economic condition that rest of the nepali, we like to have everything in KTM, our nature is almost like " to hell with rest of nepal"- let us confess and let us rise above this caste/ethnic mentality. We call " marsya" " pakhe" " khen" " barmu" all those derogatory terms to others. Also within our community we call "nya-to  shahi" " chipa-to ranjit" " bhagra-ti karanjit" " jyapu-to maharjan", nau-to nakarmi-blacksmith" " jogi-to tailor community" "podhe" and "kau"  so on . We still use these  Newari derogatory words . I think we need to look ourself first and refine our thought and ideology first. I used to be amongst those who used to say "marsya" "gama" "kau' 'nau" so on but I had an oppurtunity to work out side the valley and spent good time outside valley with both newari speaking newars to non newari speaking newars to lepcha tamang khen barmu.HonestlyI felt  we are the " most sampradaik" than rest of the castes. my honest confession! call me newar traitor..

the nep version of the N bomb ....whassaap my Newa?

Shantipriya,

"Nomatter  we say newari or nepal bhasa, the essence of language will be the same no? Why do we need to feel low about it. " Newar" is not a derogratory word so if someone say it is Newari what is the problem?"
This was exact my question some 15-20 years ago. Now I do not ask that question. "Newar" is correct, but "Newar + I" is incorrect, except in Khas language. If you are speaking Khas, then "Newar + i" is also correct. For example, "नेवारीमा भन |" - this is correct, but "नेवारी  भासं धा |" or "Tell me in Newari" - these are incorrect.


"why do we always want to target " khas community" when it comes to issue related our culture and language?"
First, I did not talk anything on culture and language here, I  just forwarded a news-piece on wrongly over-used word. Next, "Newar" language became "Newar+I" only after "Khas" language conspired snatching the word "Nepali" replacing "Gorkhali" in the palace of Ranas. If "Nepalbhas" was mentioned in samajik sikshya book in school, we would not even have heard about this fuss now. "Nepali" does not exist in our history. So, the "Khas-ruling community" comes in the picture whenever  Newars and/or any other non-khas community crie out of their woes.


"We need to be more open and culturally receptive and tolorant.  We should discourage anything that would trigger ethinic tension amongst the communities."
Newars and other non-khas are open and receptive more than necessary. If talking about a wrongly used word should trigger ethnic tension, then, Nepal would have triggered bloodshed while so many languages were banned from official use for centuries, so many traditional-systems dismantled, so many cultural assets exploited. 



"Honestly, we got more than we deserve- we are just 5% of total population yet we haver our language recognized, our sambhat recognized, we are in better economic condition that rest of the nepali,"
If so, then Newars are far ahead. They don't need to worry about - झिपी गअब्ले नाहप लाई ?

"we like to have everything in KTM, our nature is almost like " to hell with rest of nepal"- let us confess and let us rise above this caste/ethnic mentality. "
No, actually this is untrue. All KTM-centric development was done by maananiya and taananiya, who basically came to KTM from remote area, and never returned back. The core-settlement of KTM did rarely get a significant change or development budget. These areas are almost unchanged for last 300 years. All developments in KTM is in outskirts of old-settlement where KTM people do not live. Due to generosity of those maananiya and taananiya, KTM people got advantage to enjoy development and some economic benefit. I have never heard the local KTM people complaing the rulers to pour development budget in their region.


"above all we call " marsya" " pakhe" " khen" " barmu" all those derogatory terms to others also within our community we call "nya-to  shahi" " chipa-to ranjit" " bhagra-ti karanjit" " jyapu-to maharjan", nau-to nakarmi-blacksmith" " jogi-to tailor community" "podhe" and "kau" all our Newari derogatory words we still use. I think we need to look ourself first and refine our thought and ideology first. "
I think you need to update yourself with latest social change in Nepal. You were right when "Jyapu" used to get angry when you call him "Jyapu". Nowadays, "Jyapu" is proud to identify him as a "Jyapu". "Nay, Chhipa, Bhagra, Jyapu, Nau, Jogi, Tamwo, Bare, Po, Kau, Syasya, Barmu, Guruju" etc. are not considered derrogatory but they are "thet words" of linquistic importance.

"honestlyI felt  we are the " most sampradaik" than rest of the castes. my honest confession! call me newar traitor my middle figer to you. "
Keep your middle figer to yourself. You felt you are the "most sampradik". I too felt KTM-newars, who have not seen the world outside KTM-khaldo lacks proper judgement in many sense when I first came to KTM. But then, after knowing it more closely, I just felt "bicharaa". They don't have basic information about themselves, they do not know the value of their language and history, they have lost crucial information about their true identity then how can they make proper judgement. 

Nevertheless, trying to correct a wrong use of word is not साम्प्रदायिक.  nor divisive. The word साम्प्रदायिक sounds like the word of panchayat era to me.  If you think this is divisive, you have the problem within you.

It is better to be high-spirited even though one makes more mistakes, than to be narrow-minded and all too prudent.

-Van Gogh

Here is  the reality and if you find hard time accepting it then you will continue to feel pain within yourself.

First, I did not talk anything on culture and language here, I  just forwarded a news-piece on wrongly over-used word. Next, "Newar" language became "Newar+I" only after "Khas" language conspired snatching the word "Nepali" replacing "Gorkhali" in the palace of Ranas."
- It is immaterial what name you want to have and how you want to correct it the fact is Newar Community are well knowns all around the world as an " newar" not the one time majority population of "Nepa" valley. So if some says it is newari how can that be not correct- where is the prooff that Khas jati conspired you then. Now if you want to denounce historical fact then tell " Nepa" as separate rajya and undo the PN Shah's victroy. Can you? No right on the same ground if newari has become more pervasive and popular than Nepal Bhasa (even nepal bhasa has been equally used as I remember from my childhood to today) why so big fuss? Also, we ourself recognize ourself as a " newa"- remember " jhi newa newaye jhui" then we in our talk we say " newa bhaye lah le" so why you wnat to make big issue.

Newars and other non-khas are open and receptive more than necessary. If talking about a wrongly used word should trigger ethnic tension, then, Nepal would have triggered bloodshed while so many languages were banned from official use for centuries, so many traditional-systems dismantled, so many cultural assets exploited.
O c'mon, do not try to connect KTM newar community with other non khas, as KTM newars  have never been receptive and open, as I said, we are the one who discover all kind of derogatory words to other community. Sen- to mangolian, marsya to teraibasi, Khen to chetri, barmu to bahun and so forth. we make big fuss of Nepal. I remember how our newari budhi society used to despise " chat of terai people" and "teej of bahun chetri". I am just giving an example, accepting our fault will make us stronger and help us move forward brother, why you want to shrink your heart?

"Nay, Chhipa, Bhagra, Jyapu, Nau, Jogi, Tamwo, Bare, Po, Kau, Syasya, Barmu, Guruju" etc. are not considered derrogatory-I remember when my mom used to say " ah babu bhahale mithawone mathe ni nya tegu wo jaypu tegu then jui mutulahaye bani jui" ( do not go to play with jyapu and sahi kids you will do like them and learn all kind of foul language) this is how I was raised and our society. You kidding me bro- can you go and chettrapati and call a sahi/khadgi "wo nya ka la ta da?" ( wo nya can you cut a peice of lamb for me?"  can you. stop BS bro we all newars know it.

The core-settlement of KTM did rarely get a significant change or development budget. These areas are almost unchanged for last 300 years. All developments in KTM is in outskirts of old-settlement where KTM people do not live.
You need to brush up your knowledge brother, 20 years ago, most of newari settlment did not have water supply, hiti, tunchi or common hiti established by rana used to only one source, most of bahals , nani, roads used to unpaved, now see where is the core area. again these are mere examples, the foot pring of ktm is so rich, and above all culture is so rich, even you wish, the outlook will not be changed even in next 1000 years but that does not mean KTM core area did not get any development, you must be kidding, Brother have you even been to inchanku danda where tamang village is ? it is in outskirt and mere 6 km away from heart of the ktm, but you do not have school, you do not have road their living condition is terrible..so without any fact and figure do not put such line here.


I apologize for using middle finger word but again, we are not bichara, we are not open and receptive, we are so orthodox we barely give importance to others, this is why we are like this. We only see NEWARS NEWARS AND NEWARS. Again, I belong to buddhist newars and we always used to say "Shesya ta la newa hey makhu." ( shrestha are not actual newars)

I do not agree we do not know our history and our culture, we know it better than other communities, and for that matter I am proud of our community.

All I AM TRYING TO SAY IS UNLESS WE DO NOT IDENTIFY OUR NEGETIVE (as if we are purest ethnic community) WE WILL NEVER RISE AS A COMMUNITY . NOW SITUATION HAVE CHANGED AND IT WON't BE KTM CENTRIC NEPAL ANYMORE, EVEN WITHIN KTM WE ARE ALREADY  MINORITY POPULATION. LET US ABANDONED ORTHODOXY AND ACCEPT THE REALITY!  BEING NEWARS OF NEW GENERATION IT IS UP TO US! 

Btw, when I was in Biratnagar, Newars of that region write their mother tongue as Nepali not Newari- I was shocked to know about that but now I realized it is no one's fault and it is stupid to tell them to write Newari as their mother tounge! NO? So newari as we think is not all newars mother tongue but again you will blame khas for conspiring but it is not exactly like that! talk to any newars out side the valley you will know what I mean.

"Nepali" does not exist in our history. - Chanaa_tarkaari

Nepal is first mentioned in the late Vedic text, Atharvaveda Parisista as a place exporting blankets, and in the post-Vedic Atharva Siras Upanisad. In Samudragupta's Allahabad inscription it is mentioned as a bordering country. The 'Skanda Purana' has a separate chapter known as 'Nepal Mahatmya', which "explains in more details about the beauty and power of Nepal."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepal

kahile kahi yesta thread dhekhera malai pani reply garun ki jasto lagcha.. tara bhanchan ni baara barsa kukurko puchaar dhungra ma rakhyoo jasta tastai.. chanani ji ko manasikta pani testai ho jasto lagcha.. j bhaye pani khas lai nai naramro dekhne.. ra aafno kura sadhai thik.. uhako kura sunda ta lagcha.. khas haruko agoshit karya niti nai aru samudaya lai pelnu ho..


chanaji.. maile dekheko sabai bhanda "liberal" nai khas ho jasto lagcha.. khoi jatiya rajya ko kuro uthyoo.. sabai bhanda dherai janasankha bhayeka haru(khas haru) le chuttai rajya chahiyoo bhanera kahile aandolan garernan.. (yedi ek dui samuha le ta gare bhannu bhayoo bhane) ta ti.. madhesh ko birudha ma utheko chure bhawar jastai ho.. ek chin karyae ani matlab chaina... khas haru le mannne dharma lai rastriya dharma bata hataaye.. khoi tai pani kosaile pani matlab garenan.. tai pani tan pain jasta ko nazar ma khas nai badnam


Hatsoff to Santipriya for his broad mind.. chana ji.. tanpain ko manasikta ta kati sanghuro cha bhanne kura ta tanpain ko post herera nai thaha huncha.. tanpai le aafno jati lai desh bhanda mathi rakhera sochnu huncha (tala hernus tanpainko aafnai comment, lagcha bara ko manche nepali nai hoinan.. newa mandal ko manche sikchit banauna sakyoo bhane tanpain ko desh prati ko sewa pura huncha)... khas jati le gareko bibhed ma thulo swor garnu huncha.. tara newar newar bich ko bibhed lai ankha chimlinu hucha.. kahile sunnu bhayeko cha.. gurubacharya..bajrachrya..shakya ko bihe.. manandhar.. maharjan sanga bhayeko.. (na bhannu hola yo bibhed naihoina.. tyo ta harmo samaj nai testo bhanera)

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ओ हो हो हो !!!!! नेपाल को हालत , हरे !!! खत्तम छ खत्तम    यस्तै भएर नै संघीयता चाहिएको हो । ता कि त्यस्तो प्रदुशित जनशक्तीले हाम्रा बालबच्चा नबिगारोस । आफु बारा गएर अनैतीक गतिबिधी  रोक्न सकिन्न । अनैतीक सरकारले रोक्ने हैन । सरकारलाई रोकिदेउ भनेर माग गर्‍यो सुन्दै सुन्दैन । तेस्ता नेतालाई चुनावमा हरायो चोरबाटोबाट सन्सदमा र सरकारमा पुगीहाल्छन । आन्दोलन गर्‍यो आँफैलाई सास्ती मात्रै ।    लौ भनम अब के गर्ने त?

Ma abujh lai euta kura batai dinu ta

Majority nepali haru le bolne .. khas bhasha chain "nepali" nahune.. tara janasankhayko 5% le bolne bhasa lai kina hami le "nepal bhasa" bhani ra ko chau?

I am not flattering Shantipriya but he is always right. At least for me.

Do not make khas people like radddi ko tokari to put all logical or illogical blames. 
And, Chana-tarkari is the real representation of closed and unreceptive newar society.  Chana_tarkari do not forget newars do not live only inside Ktm khaldo. Most of the cities and district head quarters outside ktm is full of newars. But, newars outside ktm valley are way better,  receptive, and broad minded than those of kathmandu. 

Shantipriya,

"if you want to denounce historical fact then tell " Nepa" as separate rajya and undo the PN Shah's victroy. Can you?"
This is totally irrelevant question. I don't know where did you find me denouncing historical fact.

"we ourself recognize ourself as a " newa"- remember " jhi newa newaye jhui" .............."
That is true. I have not seen difference in using newa, newar, newah, which all do not violate basic nepal bhas grammar. So, use of these word are fine. Initially Siddhidas Mahaju's movement "Don't use NEWAR+i" was not well discussed. But now, all scholars of Newar art, culture, language, etc. have stopped using the "+i" word. Facebook's action may be one step on supporting that movement. Here, I just shared the news. I am not originator of this issue. This issue was there before birth of my father.

"KTM newars  have never been receptive and open, as I said, we are the one who discover all kind of derogatory words to other community"
Well, you being a proper KTM-Newar, you can say it. As far as I know, it is not 100% true because every society has derogatory words for outsiders and even for insiders, not only KTM-Newars. Sen, Marsya, Khen, Barmu words have nice linguistic explanation of origin, evolution and use. Some might have been used to derrogate, who has not done that in our society? Newars are also made a subject of fun in many other society.

"I remember when my mom used to say..........stop BS bro we all newars know it."
Time has changed a lot. These days it is rare to find Moms teaching sons that way. Also, we have to understand the limit of public acceptability of some words. For example, the words "kanchha" and "bahadur" within a family may be lovely, but the same word may be offensive if an Indian uses to call a Nepalese in public. A Naay may not hesitate to tell "Jipi Naaye tay thwo chalan du", but you are not advised to say "Oh Naay Chya twone dhuna laa?" in public. We need to understand the limit of acceptability. 

"20 years ago, most of newari settlment did not have water supply, hiti, tunchi or common hiti established by rana "
If a Rana comes here, he will die laughing out loud after reading your text. All Newah settlements were equipped with planned urban infrastructure to meet the need of their time (road, sewage, water supply, open grounds, religious monuments, entertainment area etc.). Several Masters/PhD Thesis are written on the excellence of Newah urban planning. Most bahals, nani, roads were stone and brick paved, which were lacking maintenance but were not unpaved as you think. The facilities were sufficiently sustainable for the population of that time. Ohh yeah, they layed the network of drinking water and electricity, but that was not due to their mercy. That was due to higher return over the investment cost because of dense settlement in KTM and its larger economy.

"Brother have you even been to inchanku danda ............. you do not have road their living condition is terrible"
How many years you have not visited back Nepal? These days, it is totally different.

"All I AM TRYING TO SAY IS UNLESS WE DO NOT ..... OF NEW GENERATION IT IS UP TO US! "
I don't understand what makes you think it is advocating purest ethnic community when bringing the facts out. For you, rising as a community should be useless issue, isn't it? You mentioned "first Nepali" somewhere, then why you talk about these communal stuffs? why you are concerned for Newar being minority population? Why you even want to be a Newar of new generation? Dump it and reject it. It's individual choice. No hard feeling.

"Btw, when I was in Biratnagar, ..... you will know what I mean."
As I mentioned above, it is their choice. If they know nothing about Newar culture and language, they should better write what they are comfortable on. You have to respect their choice. Noone should blame for leaving language, culture, religion, society or even country if they do that on their will. People have right to make decision for themselves. But I blame to Khas rulers (not entire Khas community, but the RULERS and ELITES) for serious harm they did against Newar and many other non-khas culture and language during Shah-Rana and Panchayet regime by creating systematic discreminating system which discouraged people to continue their own language and culture.

Yakku,

Please separate "Nepal" - a country, a geographical region, a historical political entity that existed in ancient texts to modern documentation versus "Nepal+i" the new found name of Khas language imposed in Nepal that ages less than 90 years. I did not say "Nepal" does not exist. I said "Nepal+i" name representing the spoken khas language of present Nepal does not exist in our history.

Khikkhoik,

"uhako kura sunda ta lagcha.. khas haruko agoshit karya niti nai aru samudaya lai pelnu ho.."
afsoskaa saath bhannu parchha, Nepalka khas shaashak ko niti ra parinaam le tehi dekhaunchha.

"(khas haru) le chuttai rajya chahiyoo bhanera kahile aandolan garernan."
ahile daadu panyu haat ma chhaunjel ho, haatbat khuskane sanket payeko dinbat kasto kasto aandolan shuru hunewala chha tyo din thaha paaiyelaa.

"khas haru le mannne dharma lai rastriya dharma bata hataaye.."
kuro gare kurai ko dukha, khas ko matra haina, aruko pani dharma ho bhanne kina birsine holaa?

"chana ji.. tanpain ko manasikta ta kati sanghuro ............desh prati ko sewa pura huncha)."
khoi sanghuro ra farakilo naapne fitta ko thekedaar tapai ho? ke lai saghuro ke lai farakilo bhanne? hamro bhasama lekheko nibedan euta darta garna daraune le arulai saghuro bhanna laaj lagdaina? faraakilo maanasikata hunele nirdhakka khas bhasa ko lagi sarkari koshbata jati subidha ra budget chha tetti aru sabai bhasa/jatilai pani dinu parchha bhanne himmat garos, ani punarbichar garumla, natra yesta hawadari sanghuro ra farakilo napaai ko kehi maane chhaina.

Bara-parsaa ma khullam khulla cheet chorayera jaanch diyeko asahaaye bhayera hernu pareko sandarbhamaa tyo comment lekhya ho jasto lagchha. tesari j man laagyo tei gareko dekhda tapai k garnu hunchha? (1) gare pani hunchha bhanne? (2) hoina bhane sudharera dekhaunu paryo bhanne? (3) sudharna pani sakinna, swikarna pani sakinna bhane 'farak chha hai' bhanne dekhaunu parena?, ke garne? Tehi sandharvamaa maile option (3) chose garnu besh hunchha bhanne tarka rakhna khojya ho. tyo kuro birsera yettikai Chana le yesto lekhyathyo bhanera kuro bangyauna milchha? testo khurafaati tarka achel kaam lagdaina hou.

"Majority nepali haru le bolne .. khas bhasha chain "nepali" nahune.. tara janasankhayko 5% le bolne bhasa lai kina hami le "nepal bhasa" bhani ra ko chau?"
bhasha ko naam janasankhyaako % le hudaina hou, kati bujh pachaayeko ho? bholi nepal ma chinese wa indian population ko majority bhayo bhane tiniharuko bhasa pani nepali hunchha? ki khas bhasa ko naam Chinese wa Indian raakhne?

Nalapani,

"Do not make khas people like radddi ko tokari to put all logical or illogical blames."
The entire Khas community should not take the blames for the mistakes and misdeeds conducted by a handful of Khas rulers and elites. Just like, Hitler decided to start world war II, the entire German was blamed/attacked for it. Present-day Germans do not support Hitler's act, and the ordinary German citizen is not blamed for the war-crimes of WWII. Similarly, Khas community would be blamed as long as they keep defending the atrocities of the past against other communities of Nepal. Khas community itself should come forward to denounce the wrong doings of the past. An ordinary Khas, who is not a part of ruling class, should not lose sleep in this sort of debates taking the blame on his head that he was not a part of. Once the voice of oppressed community gets heard, and corrected by the establishment, these blames would go away. BTW, I would love to read which blames you consider are illogical.

"Chana_tarkari do not forget newars do not live only inside Ktm khaldo. .........."
I am well aware of Newars out of valley. I have lived and spent plenty of time with Newars from Baglung, Bandipur, Trishuli, Bharatpur, Janakpur, Hetauda, Birgunj, Dharan, Biratnagar, Chainpur, Ilaam, Dhankuta, Khaireni, Dhadingbesi, Gorkhabazaar, Pokhara, Butwal, Mangalpur, Dolakha, Banepa, Panauti, Sikkim, Kalimpong, Darjeeling, Betiya, Tistung, Palung, Bhimfedi etc. to observe their rituals, social norms, similarities and differences. I have spent half of my life in Nepal out of KTM valley and keep myself updated with changes as much as possible. You might know that the Newar organizations out of valley is more united and stronger than in KTM valley in these days. Just last year, there was more than 10,000 Newars gathered and rallied in Biratnagar, whereas gathering 1000 Newars in Basantpur Dabali has become a challenge for local Newar leaders. Nepa Rastriya Party, the so called Newars party obtained more votes from outside than in KTM valley. I am pretty aware of these information bro. I agree that Newars outside KTM valley are more receptive and flexible.


By the way, the  thread is dragged way too far from the original post. I just intended to share with you all guys that the use of "Newar+I" word is not welcome. So, if you happen to use the word knowingly or unknowingly, please think of making a correction. Just kick-out "+i" that's enough.

Rest of the issues entered just while answering the questions of curious friends.

Purbagraha ko chasma le hernu huncha bhanne mero bhannu kehi chaina.. ra ma yesto endless discussion ma bhag lina ni chahanna.. kina ki suteko manche lai uthauna sajilo huncha.. suteko abhinaya garne lai hunna.. 

"ahile daadu ........................................  chha tyo din thaha paaiyelaa "
Achamma lagcha.. kati pratisat khas bhasi nepal ko haat dadu paneu chalaune thau ma chan?? ra testo dadu paneu chalaune thau ma aru bhasi napugeka hun ra.. k gare bijay kumar gacheedar/ padma sigh tharu le tharu ko lagi.. k gare harek choti aapurti mantri hune madhesi mantri le... madheshi ko lagi.. k gare ganya manya pad ma pugeko newari barga le newari mache ka lagi..  pasupati bhakta maharjan/ Amatya samuha/ wa jyoti samuha ..  sabai le aafnai duno sojhaune ta ho ni hoina ra..  k tesko lagi hami le banki jo tyo padawi ma napugeko lai aaula uthaune ta??

kati jana dadu paneu chalaune ma pugea ra kati jana daineek dui haat mukh jodna garo hune awastha ma chan..k ti dadu paneu ma chalaune le aafno swartha pura garna khoje pani tini haru ko nai dosh.. k padnma ratna le gai katnu paryoo bhoanyoo bhandai ma sara newar jati le nai gai katnu paryoo bhanee ?? 

Sadharan statistic ko niyam nai yehi ho jati dherai population cha, teti nai representation hucha.. tehi bhayera nai dherai janasankha ko aadhar ma nai dherai khas bhasi prasasanik pad ma pugeka hun.. lok sewa ma khas bhasa jaane bhanera extra aanka ta paaka hoina hola ni ?

"khoi sanghuro ra farakilo ......................................... chhaina"
khoi kun sandarbha ma hamro bhasa ko nibedan... ko kura garnu bhayoo tyo ta thaha bhayena.. tara sarbocha aadalat ko nirnaya ko kura garnu bha bhaye.. mero bichar ma pratical reason le nai teso gareko ho jasto lagcha.. aba bhannus tanpain sarkari sewa ma hunu huncha ra tanpain le kaaj ko silsila ma kunai rai limbu/rai ko bahulya ko thau ma tanpani lai saruwa nai nagarne.. kina ?? tanpain lai teha ko local bhasa nai aaudaiana.. hoina la saruwa gare pani tanpain le kati kaam garna saknu huncha.. sabai document.. aarko bhasa ma.. madhesh gaye aarko.. kochila gaye aarko.. limbuwan gaye aarko ?

aja bhannus na bhaktapur/ kathmandu/ banepa/Panauti / Dhulikhelbanepa ma thari thari ko newari.. aba kaanuni kura ma hachuwa taal yestai yestai huncha bhanera lekhna ni milnena aba k garne.. aja prasasanik kharcha ko kura nai chodu.. ek nepali le sudur paschim ma janmyoo bhane k usle purwa wa rajdhani ko prasasanik chetra ma kaam garne awastha nai gumyoo kina ki uslai teha ko local language nai thaha chaina bhanera hoina ra..

maile jatiya rajya ko abadharna aauchitya ahile samma bujeko chaina.. sabai jati haru le ahiel khasbhasi le rthicho micho gare tehi bhaeyra aba aafno swabhiman ra aafno jaat ko lagi jatiya rajya chahincha bhannu hola.. aba bhannus... k newa rajya ma kunnai (bahun chetri ko kura nai chodi dinu) limbu wa tamang ko chora le rajya ko pahuch ma saman abasar kasari paaucha.?? yedi paayena bhane.. tyo usko lagi thico micho bhayena ra.. ki aba pakistan/india tukrida jastai............... tharu bhaye tharuwan tira limbu bhaye limbuwan tira ra tamang bhaye tammuwan tira sarnu paryoo..

kina sandhai........ swabhagati ko pujari pode jati ko ra........ bagalamukh ko pujari bajracharya jati ko k tyo chain aanya bhed bhav hoina ra?? kina sandhai kumari kehi shakya haru ko chori matra huncha.. kina sabai newar jati ko chori haru barawar hoina ra ?? yeso sano survery nai garnus.. kati shakya/bajracharya/shrestha ko manish padai ko estar hernus... ra kati rajak/maharjan/pode jati ko newar haru ko padai ko  estar hernus.. aba  k teslai ni top core newar ko agosit karya niti bhanne ???

"bhasha ko naam janasankhyaako % le hudaina hou, kati bujh pachaayeko ho?..................Indian raakhne?"
maile bujh pacha ko hoina.. maile nabuhera nai sodehko ho tyo prasna.... tanpain lai kehi gyan cha bhane bhani dinu hola... maile ajai nabujeko chian.. kina  "newa bhasa" lai "nepal bhasa" bhaneko ho?

maile buje anusar.. ktm-patan-kirtipur ma bolne newari lai "Ye-Yala-K-pu Bhaaye/bhasha" bhancha... bhaktapur ma bolne lai "Khwapa  Bhaaye/Bhasa" bhancha.. tehi bayera.. newa bhasa bhaneko nai yehi ho bhanne nai chaina.. testai gari kahile dekhi newa bhasa lai nepal bhasa ni bhanna thaliyo?? kehi thaha cha tanpain lai

Jhi: migu pasa chya khawasa khawsa khawsa: khaasA khaasA aya aya aya :. Kaa bayman chhimma

Dhatttt

Potatoes ......Potaatoes
Tomatoes ...... Tomaaatoes

I mean wot is the difference.  As they say sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.   C'mon people we are better than this.  We need to stop dwelling upon these petty lil he said she said crap.   

chana ko kura le sarai hass uthyo.

Every society has deregotary words re..lol, no borther, maithali does not have any derogatory words against newar nor tharu has. "Sen, Marsya, Khen, Barmu words have nice linguistic explanation of origin, evolution and use"- you going insane bro, if one follows your logic, then instead of saying " Usha Khadgi"- we should rahter say " Usha Kasaini" lol coz this has explains her origins and evolutions lol..are you what? I-word?

and about KTM water supply, look at your first statment-your said KTM have not got most of the development budget and on that respect I said, we do not have public water supply 20 years ago, no toilets (still go to thimi or bhaktapur you will still find same case). What I said has nothing to do with how KTM was planned or built during 12-17 AD. 20 years ago dhunge dhara and tunchi water unless in emergency, was not used for drinking purpose..yes in malla and lichhavi they were primary source becuase back then they were less polluted make sense?

and about KTM outside knowledge, you do not have to brag about how many years you lived outside action speaks louder..about about " Tamang" village..there is still someone in one of the reputed university doing PhD thesis you can consult him, I can send you his name in private email..he is not khas, he is also a janajati. 

and stop asking stupid question like How many years you have not visited back Nepal? These days, it is totally different.
you think you are the smartest @@ and other are stupid? I can say I am in Nepal now, I can say I have been Nepal just a month ago in winter break, I have been Nepal 6 time in last two years..which one you want to believe, or for your solace I have not been nepal since 1990 OK now:-)

And since you are again and again questioning history, it is better to ask Jay Prakash Mall when you go up, why they let PN Shah win over them. C'mon, that is history-they were poweful and intelligent than malla kings, they planned and so they won. Plus if king can not protect his fellow countrymen they should abdicate and this case they lost to the brave king PN Shah who united nepal. at least I am not one of those who blame PN Shah history for everything, including for their being dumb@@@.. Newar should let go this defeated mentality and accpet the reality. What happened in Pearl Harbor is history and both US and Japan moved on..and what is wront with your kind of Newars? 

Why should  I want to be new generation newar because people like you who has this kind of radical extremist thinking which is not only creating division in our country, you kind of people are equally responsible for creating division within our community, not to mention your thinking of " Nya" is not derogatory words:, Yes I reject you kind of people who think they are more newars than other newars! You said things have changed-no my friend things in your kind of people are exactly the same!

WOW enough of this shiaaat ........Im a Chettri Guy married to a Newar Gal. we have been married for 5 yrs now and have kids.....During this great 5 yrs we have learnt a great deal about both our cultures and customs. I enjoyed learning how great and wonderful Newari culture is.  Now to make my point , Newars are the most Racist group in Nepal, even worse than Shah thakuri, Baun, magar etc when it comes to marriage.......MOSTLY TO THEIR OWN KIND, their old grannys and pas, mamas includingall  relatives are strict when it comes to marriage in other castes but         WILL BURN A TOWN IF A NEWAR OF A HIGHER CASTE MARRY A NEWAR OF LOWER CASTE......Dangol (jyapu) will never be allowed to marry a (shahi) kasai.......most newars dont like SHRESTHA cast....according to other Newar people shrestha are very cunning, sly, greedy and manupulative, it is said shresthas always feel  like the superior Newar among the Newars. Newars think everyone else like Ranas . SHahs, thapas, Pandeys, gurung, Rai etc, etc are lower castes then them, I was surprised when my newar relatives told me that. I hate this caste system caste in Nepal  my  caste is considered Upperclass, but in Newar community Im a Khe thats it KHE !! it cracks me up though, anyone know that Newars call us KHE? anyways I love my wife and plan to grow old with her.....we dont let this cast thing come between us, Nepal should abolish cast system

B C & TB, bros,

this is what I exactly want to say, we are better than all these shits, at least our new generation should think about rising above this caste/ ethnic mentality. We should learn to respect each other and cherish each other's culture rather than despise each other's. and Yes terobajee, newar (buddhist ) community do not like Shrestha " Sheshya" because much of the shrestha community are well educated, they are in leadership position including government service and for some newars getting into a governent service and politics is considered taboo or khen: business. Yet they claim Khas or Bahun Chettri barred them ..which is complete nonsense,

Being newar I have pointed out few flaws that exists in our community, if not we who else will rectify that? god knows! Tomorrow, if my bramhin friend points out some flaws in his community, next day a tamang friend and so on  then this will  help unite us. This will teach us how to be recpetive and humble -not radical, racist and extremist. Each of our community has some flaws and great potential, lets remove the flaws first and move ahead. This is all I have to day.

nicely said shatipriya...agree 100 %