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 Are Oldest Siblings Smarter?
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Posted on 06-22-07 10:10 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Thought this might be of interest to some:

Those raised as eldest seen having edge
Researchers find an impact on IQ

By Colin Nickerson, Globe Staff | June 22, 2007


Is big sister always telling you what's best? Does big brother seem to know it all?

Instead of stewing in resentment, maybe you should start listening when they dispense smart-alecky advice.

Turns out, they really are brighter than you, by and large.

A large study by Norwegian scientists appearing in today's edition of Science, the weekly academic journal published by the American Association for the Advancement of Science, concludes that a child raised as the eldest has a higher intelligence quotient, on average, than younger siblings.

The difference is just a couple of IQ points -- not exactly the gap between Albert Einstein and Homer Simpson.

But the extra smarts conferred by birth order are significant enough in the broad sense. Spread over tens of thousands of individuals, the tiny difference could translate into a higher likelihood of acceptance into better colleges, improved chances of landing a good job, or even better luck at winning a brainy spouse, according to some child experts.

Researchers Petter Kristensen and Tor Bjerkedal make no such bold claims in their study of 241,310 Norwegian 18- and 19-year-olds. The findings of the medical scientists -- Kristensen is an epidemiologist at Norway's Institute of National Health; Bjerkedal is a physician-researcher with the Norwegian Armed Forces Medical Service -- are sure to roil the field of child psychology and family studies.

Slightly better brains appear to be a result of the way the senior child is raised and adapts to the family, not to any special genetic traits that go with coming first, the researchers say.

The study is long on numbers and notably short on interpretation. But the bottom line is blunt: The child who holds position as the oldest will possess, on average, an IQ 2.3 points higher than younger siblings. With a sample size of nearly a quarter-million test subjects, that's compelling scientific evidence.

"This is one of the most important findings in this field to come along in the past 70 years or so," said Frank J. Sulloway, a visiting professor of psychology at the University of California, Berkeley, and advocate of the view that birth order influences personality.

Sulloway spoke in an interview, but also wrote an accompanying commentary in Science on the Norwegian study.

"This is a beautiful study that should put an end to an unnecessarily heated debate over intelligence and birth order," he said. "If you were raised as the first born, you will most likely have a higher IQ -- end of story. Now we should focus effort on finding what this means."

Other specialists were not so sure, however.

The Norwegian study yields "interesting and valuable data, but nevertheless leaves important methodological questions unanswered that raise the same kind of doubts" that scientists have debated in the past, said Joseph L. Rodgers, professor of psychology at the University of Oklahoma.

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Posted on 06-22-07 10:13 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh OMGG..i am dumb!! No wayyyyyy!! :-P
Cool.. :-D
interesting read
 
Posted on 06-22-07 10:31 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I would say older siblings are more matured and responsible in most of the cases.
 
Posted on 06-22-07 1:36 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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yea dat jus prove... i knew this was correct al the while u kn o..
 
Posted on 06-22-07 2:46 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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OK. I'm just NOT buying this no matter what!
 
Posted on 06-22-07 2:47 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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hmmm...nice topic...i wonder who came up with this topic...
 
Posted on 06-22-07 2:48 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Parents generally tend to pay more attention to their first child so I don't doubt this at all.
 
Posted on 06-22-07 2:58 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Posted on 06-22-07 2:59 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I am the oldest one. This is somehow true.
 
Posted on 06-22-07 3:39 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Ok. I agree oldest siblings are smarter.

But ....

I also agree that the youngest siblings are smartest ;)
 
Posted on 06-25-07 11:27 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Here's a follow up article from the Tribune - some good news there for younger siblings too

Study on I.Q. prompts debate on family dynamics

The new evidence that eldest children develop higher I.Q.'s than their siblings has intensified the debate over two of the most stubborn questions in social science: What are the family dynamics that enhance intelligence? And can they — and should they — be changed?

The new findings, from a landmark study published Friday, showed that eldest children had a slight but significant edge in — an average of three points over the closest sibling. And it found that the difference was not because of biological factors but the psychological interplay of parents and children.

Predictably, the study set off a swarm of Internet commentary from parents, social scientists and others, speculating about what in families could enrich one child's intellectual environment more than others'.

"Anyone with siblings wonders about this," said Sue Monaco, 51, of Delaware, who has two sons and five siblings. She was one of about 150 readers who posted questions on Friday to a New York Times Web forum about the study.

Researchers acknowledge that few of the family variables affecting intelligence are well understood, and some argue that peer influences are eventually more significant. But studies suggest that two elements are important during childhood: the perceived role a child has in the family; and the apparent benefit a child receives when he or she tutors someone else, like a younger sibling.

Well before entering the high school hothouse of geeks and jocks, children who grow up with siblings get tagged with labels: The screw-up of the family. The airhead, the klutz, the whiner. And then there is the serious one, little Mr. or Ms. Responsible, who most often is the eldest, psychologists have found.

"In our family we had the straight one, the oldest, followed by the one who snuck out," said Elisabeth Ferris, 55, a former teacher who lives near Baltimore. "I was the one who snuck out, who had a lot more fun in high school, and who went to art school."

Studies suggest that other family members tend to consider the eldest the most conscientious of the siblings, more likely to achieve academically. At least for some firstborns, that role may be self-fulfilling.

"I don't know about our 's but, yes, she was the more studious one," Ferris said of her older sister.

Psychologists say that filling the role of the responsible firstborn, while important to academic achievement, still does not account for eldest children's higher average scores on intelligence tests. Robert Zajonc, a psychologist at Stanford University, has argued that in fact having a younger sibling or two diminishes the overall intellectual environment for eldest children — who otherwise would be benefiting from the rich vocabulary and undivided attention of parents.

This helps explain why, under the age of 12, younger siblings actually outshine older ones on tests.

Something else is at work, Zajonc said, and he has found evidence that tutoring — a natural role for older siblings — benefits the teacher more than it does the student. "Explaining something to a younger sibling solidifies your knowledge and allows you to grow more extensively," he said. "The younger one is asking questions, and challenging meanings and explanations, and that will contribute to the intellectual maturity of the older one." (Only children receive the benefit of more parental attention but miss the opportunity to tutor a younger brother or sister.)

Monaco, who has two sons in their 20s, said her oldest was expected to help his brother from an early age. "He was a teacher to his brother, and he has grown up to be a more intense thinker; he's studying business management," she said. "His brother is more easygoing, independent; he's studying leisure and recreation and has an internship at a golf course." The two are very close friends, she said.

Parents who recognize the different niches that their children fill can enhance the family's intellectual environment by exploiting each child's expertise, researchers say. "Given the evidence we have on this, I would as a parent encourage late-born siblings to take on teaching roles, with other siblings or other children," said Paul Trapnell, a psychologist at the University of Winnipeg.

Trapnell compared this process to the so-called jigsaw approach used in classrooms, in which complex projects are divided up and each child becomes an expert in a particular task and instructs the others.

Younger siblings often have something more to pass on than the tricks of their favorite hobby, or the philosophy behind their social charm. Evidence suggests that younger siblings are more likely than older ones to take risks based on their knowledge and instincts.

It is important to keep in mind, too, that the new study found average difference in ; the scores varied widely from family to family. In many families, younger brothers and sisters eventually took the lead in , no matter if they were the screw-up or the whiner.

Moreover, experts have long noted that while even slight differences in score can be important for some, the test measures a narrow set of skills. Excessive attention to it can blind parents to the diverse and equally rich expertise that later-born children usually develop.

The best way to react to the news, some psychologists said, is to relax.

"When parents ask me what to do about this, I always say the same thing: nothing," said Frank Sulloway, a psychologist at the Institute of Personality and Social Research at the University of California, Berkeley, and the author of an editorial in the journal Science that accompanied one of the reports. Another report on the study was published in the journal Intelligence.

"Younger siblings are more likely to take chances," Sulloway added, and to challenge the status quo in creative ways.

Jackie Orsi, 53, of Morrow, Ohio, grew up the youngest of four, five years behind her nearest sibling, and said she discovered in high school that she scored the highest on tests. She remembers the sister closest to her bringing home books from elementary school to read to her.

"The older three held me, cherished me, ragged on me, taught me, and gave me an acute view of life," she wrote in an e-mail message. She added, "I spent my high school years absorbing their books. What a gift. I got my dad's genius genes, and I got a boost from being last-born. Amen."

- http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/25/america/web.25sibling.php
 
Posted on 06-25-07 11:46 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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A couple of comments:

(1)NO BIG DEAL: IQ is but one measure of intelligence. People with higher IQs are not necessarily known to do be more successful or happier in life because of a higher IQ. I also don't buy the premise that higher IQ means being smarter. Smartness is a subjective term and can have so many measures. You could have a higher IQ but poor social and personal skills. Are you any smarter than your brother who may have a lower IQ but be better at those skills and do better. Smartness cant really be measured if you think about it. Attempt like this to quantity it may have their own merits, but they do not give the complete picture. So no big deal as far as this finding goes IMHO.

(2) IS THERE A GENDER FACTOR TOO?: I ask this with only the most academic of intentions but I wonder how gender dynamics plays into this in some societies, like ours, where boys are brought up to be the more "responsible" person in the family. So that give them an edge in any way? When a boy is brought up to be responsible and carry on his family "legacy" and girls to be part of another family, how does that impact, if it does at all, his smartness and IQ compared to that of his sisters.

(3) EXCEPTIONS: I haven't had my IQ formally measured, and I dont think my siblings have either, but mine falls into the exceptions - this theory would turn on its head if I were to apply it to my family to measure smartness.

(4)BUZZ: What a great way to get in touch with your siblings! (forwarding the article) :P ha ha ha
 
Posted on 06-25-07 12:24 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!

i am the smartest


 
Posted on 06-25-07 1:46 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I think, the middle ones are the most smartest of all....

Just from my observation and experience!!!
 
Posted on 06-25-07 3:07 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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saw this on cnn. i do think they are smarter...
 
Posted on 06-25-07 3:23 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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This goes against the very core of Nepal belief that KANCHA CHORA JAILEY PANI MOST CHAUUUR HUNCHA. he he :-) !!! Jethooo chai laaato huncha. he he
 
Posted on 06-25-07 3:23 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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oops SP ---->CHATUUUR
 
Posted on 06-25-07 5:33 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I wish i had a sibling..
 
Posted on 06-25-07 10:47 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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ROFL. Old siblings are dumb, younger ones are smart, seriously. youngers can make any excuses to older siblings cuz they think you're just the same little girl playing barbies with her friends. It's a fact!
 
Posted on 06-26-07 10:29 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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why ON EARTH do i always have to be an exception? i am the "maila". ; )
 


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