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Brain Teaser
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Posted on 11-18-11 1:19
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Tibet has been an issue that all Nepalese are forcedly found themselves to relate to, regardless of whether we want it or not.
In recent years, my curious has increased as I happen to subconsciously stumble upon a bunch of Tibetans since there's a huge Tibetan population around my area, with some, I also play soccer.
What's your view on it? Do you see it as a sovereign Nation? What do you think of Nepal's stance? Slowly but surely, China seems to have stepped up its interest in Nepal's political affairs thanks to Tibet.
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georgian_satellite
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Posted on 11-18-11 7:31
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I genuinely believe China's way of extending influence can be described as the art of using three minimalist axioms, non-confrontation, non-interference and readiness for paradigm change compatble with classical chinese strategic thinking. As far as I am concerned about the tibetan activities it is a win win situation for Nepal. With new strategic thinking and paradigm change by our leadership in powerful democratic government we now can play 'tibetan' card with both china and india. The question is, do we have or will have strong leadership to deal with these two giants? I doubt. I still believe if we play the diplomatic games we can turn so called 'land-locked' country into a 'land-linked' country within very few years to come.
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Nepali_American
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Posted on 11-18-11 7:37
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While Tibet was definitely a sovereign nation in the past, HH Dalai Lama himself has conceded that it is an autonomous region of modern China. Now only if the Chinese get their head unstuck from up their collective rear end and let the Tibetans have their religious and cultural freedom, Nepal would not find itself in middle of all these issues.
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Posted on 11-18-11 8:14
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As far as Tibet is concerned, it was a FREE nation. Back in high school during Panche time ( in 80s), we used to read a lot about Tibet and how nepal and Tibet was linked historically. I guess it has faded in the last 20 years. Muna Madan is definitely a reminder to that memory lane.
In fact, this is the link I found which I never thought is true. Here Tibet endorse Nepal as a Sovereign Nation for UN membership in 1940s. http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=30156&t=1
We should let Tibetans go. It is shame for us to treat the way we are treating Tibetans. If US wants them, give them a transit visa. Whether we like or not, Tibetan Issue is hot topic and it needs careful handling. We can either take advantage of Tibetan Issue by handling it proactively which benefits Nepal tremendously or we can get our buttock kicked with the present status quo. Nepal holds tremendous advantage due to historical link with Tibet. Tibet issue can be a gold mine if we can utilize with respect to win-win situation on all side.
Regardless it is better to handle any case positively. Ofcourse who has time to think about it when the leaders have only few months or weeks to recoup all their investment while they are in PM kursi.
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Shantipriya
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Posted on 11-18-11 9:18
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When it comes to countries in conflict or occupation, I see national, international and regional hypocrisy of super powers. All these super powers are playing cards of their own to these countries than really worrying about freedom and liberty of that countries. For example, the way US supports Tibetan issue, actually to counter China, it does not do with other countries or region, example Palestine, India also when it comes to Kashmir, they are not willing to go as per UN resolution. If we look at the history, the case of Palestine and Kashmire stands stronger and more recent.Then how come we are only talking about Tibet? Tibet, China, India and then British company were constantly in the state of conflict regarding Tibetan issue. Please see the Simla Convention, Nehru's acceptance of Chinese occupation, and treaty after that. While Tibetan deserve to be free nation, so do the other occupied region. But at this period, where China is the one of the strongest power and even trying to make their currency as international currency in next five years, while US owes $Trillion to China, I see slim chance of Tibetan getting their freedom and independency.Tibetan leadership also need to spend more time with Tibetans in Tibet, fighting against all odds, than Hollywood stars and do some do some sacrifice so that it does not remain only academic debates in some ivy league schools.
As far as Nepal is concerned, Nepal can not, will not and should not place itself against the big tide of Chinese rising power which would be very counter productive. And India and international community should stop pointing arrow on poor country like Nepal while they themselves are not being wholeheartedly support the Tibetan movement, because of increasing influence of China in global market. Small example in the " Sadda Haq" song of newly indian move Rockstar, Tibten flag and free tibet is blurred in US and India while knowingly or unknowingly nepal did not do that.
I think, Tibetan at this stage should realize the global reality and accept the situation and should return to tibet rather than seeking asylum in US and work towards prosperity of their region, culture and philosophy of actual Buddhism.I know this will be tough things to do, but I do not see any other ways that they can fight for their independency. International support will be there but I like to see them leading from the front in their own region. What I do not like to see is that the collapse of one great culture and if Tibetan continue to flee from the region, that collapse seems impending.
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Posted on 11-18-11 9:44
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When Chinese say jump, Nepal will ask how high. That's a fact. And one cannot fault Nepal for complying to Chinese demands given its proximity to China and the influence thereof.
While it is reprehensible how Tibetans are treated in China and lack of adequate hospitality for them in Nepal, one should look at the situation from Nepal's point of view too.
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Posted on 11-18-11 9:59
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The fact of the matter is that Nepal, as a country, is helpless. China is too much of influence for us to advocate for Tibet.
But as a citizen and human being, I think we can still voice in support for Tibet. Internet is the best platform to do that and I'd like our tibetan brothers to know that while my country cannot say much, we are in your support.
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georgian_satellite
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Posted on 11-18-11 10:35
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China's emergence or re-emergence as global power has changed the world's political dimension. China is powerful and strong, a cradle of civilization and culture, a beacon of economic perfomence albeit, china is seeking a non-confrontation path and become a subtle power rather than hard which is the best way to be. On the other hand Obama's america which is described as 'smart power rather than super power following its own agenda, making the strongest possible impact on international rule making and institution building. America is some how losing its luster, realizing that its influence in international politics may have shrunk. Benign power shows itself to be more resilient than smart power therefore america like a wounded lion is attacking on whatever it finds on its way eg: Libya.
As far as I am concerned about tibet, Dalai Lama is right to seek autonomous rather than free tibet. He himself have now witnessed an unprecedented leveling of china's might. Tibetans themselves must know the pie is there for them rather than looking in the sky.Tibetans can not spend thousands of years herding animals and rolling prayer wheels in poverty. It is more important for them to get skills and better education and autonmous right would be an inconceivable victory against all odds.
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Brain Teaser
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Posted on 11-18-11 12:02
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Posted on 11-19-11 10:29
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Brainteaser!
Mustang is an integral part of Nepal. The people living there, who are NOT Tibetans by any means, are as Nepali as American pie is American. It is just like the people living within our southern border who are still Nepalis.
When are you gonna get this fact?
Returning to the Tibet issue:
Being tolerant forms a natural fabric of the Nepali society. I am actually going to back-up my claim with "real facts". I know for some of you readers plain facts will not do enough, therefore the "real facts" here. Long after the failed Tibetan uprising in Tibet and the Dalai had escaped to India, the Tibetans, with a lot of help from the CIA launched an illegal, and thus covert, guerilla war from within Nepali soil into Tibetan/Chinese territories. Those Tibetan attacks on the Chinese from the uninhabited high elevations of Mustang,Nepal failed miserably,too. Finally when it was all "Fair Weather Johnson", the Nepali Army had to kill the fleeing Tibetan guerilla leader for once and for all. The rest of the Tibetan warriors were captured without firing a single bullet. That is a report that I have not seen being disputed. Those defeated warriors were allowed to settle at those numerous Tibetan camps that the Nepali government has set up for them as a humanitarian gesture.
After all the Nepalis and the Nepali government has done for the Tibetans, I don't understand why these Tibetan protestors are creating scenes in Nepal instead of going about their daily business. The Tibetan issue with Chinese is something that needs to be settled between them. When these protestors come out Nepali police cannot waste time and energy barricading them. While the Nepal police is dealing with these unemployed, sometime, somewhere some Nepali women might be getting trafficked, somebody might be getting mugged or worse kidnapped or murdered. That's where Nepal police should be using their expertise instead.
On a personal level I think the Nepali people care about Tibet, and the Tibetans. They should in turn pay back by taking these protests elsewhere and outside Nepal and try to resolve the issues. Now if they do that for real, even the Buddha might smile upon them.
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